Conformity Enforcers are The Resistance

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Another forgotten post from the draft folder from Sep 2010]

This was an insight that Howard Bloom’s Conformity Enforcers and Stephen Pressfield’s concept of The Resistance are linked, or at least serve the same ends.


[Another post from the draft folder from June 2009]

Surprise works very effectively making information stick.



[Another post from the draft folder from June 2009]

Cannot recall what this was supposed to be, but the tectonics of events is an intellectual theme of mine. It refers to people, places and things getting caught – crushed – between the tectonics of events – the big movement of history, geography and physics.


Common Source – The mutual exit strategy

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Another in the series of posts forgotten in my drafts folder for years. This one from Aug 2009, I have no idea what it was supposed to be about. Here is a picture instead]

Average face hottie number 1


Sordid state brutality

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Another in the series of posts forgotten in my drafts folder for years. This one since June 2011]

At face value, this is a tale of a supposed enlightened Western state that allowed ideologically motivated courts to support child rape, and helped a girl divorce her parents.

I have been unable to verify this beyond the article linked below, but here is the e-mail I received. It believe it.

Hi Jonathan

I read your web posting regarding the fears of M’s mother about her daughter and social services. I also read the comment to your posting about the lady who’s sister had 5 children removed from her. I want to share with you a short summary of our tragic experiences in this regard in New Zealand. I think you may be South African – we are also South Africans, having emigrated from Durban to NZ with our 3 children in 1994. The story below summarises what tragically happened to our family at the hands of NZ authorities. I welcome any thoughts or comments you may have.

Kind regards,
<Name redacted>

New Zealand – where the State supports underage child sex and a child “divorcing” a good family in order to silence State wrongs

Our family was innocently sucked into social services and family court involvement through the activities of our teenage daughter in New Zealand. We are loving, capable, committed and well-educated parents for whom our family is top priority. Alarmingly, one day we discovered that adult men were having group sex with our 14-year old daughter, so we asked police to prosecute as sexual crimes had been committed. Police informed us that they could only prosecute the men under instruction from social services, so following their advice we reported the matter to social services.

However social services’ view was that our 14-year old daughter’s group sex activities was “love and romance”, and within 30 minutes of meeting only with her, concluded that she should be removed from our home so that she could continue to explore her sexuality with adult men, unimpeded from family influence. They determined that as parents we had no right to protect our underage daughter from sexual criminals.

We opposed our daughter’s removal with every effort we could, and only after we had obtained the assistance of several MPs, did social services agree to leave our family alone. However, the State was not happy that we wanted to hold them accountable for their inappropriate intervention in our family. Realising they had no legal grounds to remove our daughter they secretly encouraged her to leave home on her own, promising her that when she was 16 the State would provide for all her needs on condition that she has no further contact with her family.

As soon as she turned 16 our daughter left home, and the State financed her to live independently. They even prevented us from paying her school fees.

What followed next was a chilling series of events. The State was not happy that we sought accountability – they wanted all information about their involvement with our family silenced. So the State financed our 16-year old daughter to take out gagging orders against her whole family – her parents and two brothers – thereby preventing us from seeking accountability for inappropriate State interventions. These gagging orders involved an attempt to set historical legal precedent in New Zealand because it required that she had to legally “divorce” her family and go into State care (even though she had already left home) in order to gag her family. More details can be read in this cover story of a national magazine:

We opposed the gagging proceedings in the courts firstly because the State financing a teenager to divorce a good family is a heinous concept, and secondly because we require freedom of speech to seek accountability for the inappropriate State interventions in our family. There were never any allegations of inappropriate parenting – ours was simply a case of the State wanting to silence us so that we could not seek accountability for their appalling interventions. At one point our daughter’s State funded lawyers dragged us through the secret courts in an attempt to have us imprisoned for allegedly breaking an interim gagging order, imposed while the court deliberated on whether to permanently gag us. Eventually we won the court cases, however the State had prolonged proceedings for 2 terrifying years so that our daughter was now 18 – an adult legally fully independent of family. In effect, through furtive means they had achieved their objectives of silencing us and keeping our child isolated from all family influence.

The secret Family court made it very clear that they were quite prepared to send an innocent family to prison in order to keep us quiet at all costs. We were told we needed to be “re-educated”. We are not permitted to detail events inside the secret court, however our own lawyer concluded that we would never get a fair trial in New Zealand because we sought State accountability.

Social services’ earlier actions in alienating our daughter against her family when they encouraged her to explore her sexuality, were hugely exacerbated by the numerous court cases to gag us. When the State pits a 16-year old girl against her whole family in protracted court gagging proceedings, the alienation effects are obvious and significant. We regard the State intervention in our family as severe child abuse. Top world expert psychologists concluded that our daughter is victim of Stockholm Syndrome – a condition where the victim acts similarly to some kidnapping victims who protect their kidnappers. We have received written comments from over 50 leading psychologists and counsellors condemning in the strongest terms the State intervention with our daughter.

Our daughter is now 22, refuses to have any contact with her family, and encouraged by the State, she has changed her surname. She has told us that her abandonment of her family as well as the court gagging proceedings against her family were to protect the State authorities we sought to hold accountable. A description of the State activities which have alienated her from her family, would fill a sizeable book. She has survived on State social welfare now for over 6 years even though her family have always been very willing and capable of supporting her. Her lifestyle has clear evidence of the consequences of living independently from good family influence since 16, for example, after she left home and while still at school, she began a 4-year sexual relationship with a TV presenter/nightclub owner twice her age, continuing even after his high-profile wedding. We learned this only in 2010, when she sold the sordid details of this affair to a national magazine.

Our eldest son, a quiet, reserved, sensitive boy, was dealt to with particular harshness and hostility during the secret Family court gagging procedures. He endured a vicious attack by the judge and lawyer during one court day, simply because he was our son. They savagely bullied him to ensure his silence, so that he would never dare speak of what the State has done to his family. He had witnessed first-hand what social services did to his young sister, and experienced severe bullying in the secret courts despite never even being accused of doing anything wrong. Like us, he was terrified of a judge who threatened to imprison him not because he had done anything wrong, but simply because he was our son – and his parents posed a threat to the State for wanting to seek accountability. Shortly after the court cases our son killed himself. The ex parte gagging orders taken out against our two sons without them being permitted to defend, still exist today.

A large number of laws have been broken by the State in their involvement with our family, both inside and outside the secret courts. In effect, we lost two children – one dead and one severely alienated. We have fully documented our experiences, however, through a campaign of terror the State effectively silenced us and prevented us from seeking redress or publicising our ordeal. To date, no one has yet been held to account.

Our multiple secret court appearances left us frightened and afraid, and concluding that it is too dangerous to live in a country where one has no protection from the law – the family courts are NZ’s Guantanamo Bay where, cloaked in secrecy, the State does it’s dirty deeds without the constraints of the law or the rule of law. We had endured two years of secret court terror, at the hands of a delinquent teenager empowered by a team of State-financed, ideologically-driven lawyers. Even though we eventually won the court cases, the total disregard for proper procedures and disrespect for the rule of law inside the secret court fills us with fear. The very day we won the last court case we began packing our bags – we uprooted our high-tech business, and we left the country. The business now employs Londoners instead of Aucklanders, and is soon to be listed on the London Stock Exchange.

Prospective immigrants into NZ should be warned that their families may suffer the same fate as ours if they try to protect their under-age daughters from sexual criminals or seek accountability for misguided State authorities.

History shows that details of atrocities tend to eventually emerge (Anne Franks for example). Only then does the country learn the lessons and improve. If the details of our experience were ever to emerge onto the world stage, New Zealanders would hang their heads in shame. Politicians and judges should realize that evil thrives under suppression and secrecy, to the country’s detriment. Creating a great nation, requires openness and freedom of expression, so that evil is exposed, lessons are learned and improvements made.

Germany had it’s Nuremberg trials, South Africa had it’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission – hopefully one day society will have a just forum where families such as ours can seek redress. We believe this is our only chance to begin to reverse the damage to our daughter. Our life goals have been shattered, and never a day goes by without us suffering the consequences of the actions of social services and the secret family court.

In a subsequent mail, the dad wrote in reply to my request to publicise the story:

Yes, please publicise our story. The message needs to get out. It effects us every single day of our lives. Ours is not the only horror story – we have read of many others – however we feel that we have an obligation to get our story out, as we are credible witnesses, have meticulous records of events, and the wrongdoings against us were so clear cut and extensive. Because we eventually won the court cases, ours is not a situation of sour grapes having lost – we won, but the court cases should never have occurred in the first place. However, even though we won, we are terrified of the secret courts having witnessed how they operate.

Terrifying stuff….


Manning and Wikileaks

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Another in the series of old, forgotten posts languishing in the drafts folder. This one from June 2010]

U.S. Intelligence Analyst Arrested in Wikileaks Video Probe – 6th June (Wired)

Wired News (and Adrian Lamo) report alleged Wikileaks “Collateral Murder” video leaker – 7th June (wired)

Wikileaks/Manning: “Are America’s foreign policy secrets about to go online?” – 8th June (Wired)

State Department Anxious About Possible Leak of Cables to Wikileaks – 8th June (Wired)

The State Department’s Worst Nightmare by Philip Shenon- 8th June (Daily Beast)

Suspected Wikileaks Source Described Crisis of Conscience Leading to Leaks – 10th June (Wired)

Wikileaks Source Outed To Stroke Hacker’s Own Ego – 18th June (Slashdot)

The strange and consequential case of Bradley Manning, Adrian Lamo and WikiLeaks – 18th June (Salon)




by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Continuing in the series where I purge my old unposted material form the drafts folder. This one comes from January 2011]

“We need to always remember that we aren’t North America or Western Europe, we live in the Middle East, in a place where there is no mercy for the weak and there aren’t second chances for those who don’t defend themselves. You were fighting for your lives – I saw it, and I heard it from your commanders.” – Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak, 2 June 2010,

This time last week we had near universal denunciation of Israel for the “massacre” on the Mavi Marmara. I noted a few days later that the real story was not that extremists had tried to break the Gaza blockade, or that they tried to murder Israeli soldiers, or that they ended up dead. All of that was grimly inevitable. The real story is Turkey’s Neo-Ottomanism and Prime Minister Erdogan and his AK party’s ties to Islamists and terrorism.

Today I see that the Washington Post agrees. In an op-ed yesterday (5th June) titled “Turkey’s Erdogan bears responsibility in flotilla fiasco” the newspaper has joined the growing ranks of media outlets that have reversed their position on the Gaza Flotilla incident and now are pointing an accusing finger at Turkey.

WESTERN GOVERNMENTS have been right to be concerned about Israel’s poor judgment and botched execution in the raid against the Free Gaza flotilla. But they ought to be at least as worried about the Turkish government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which since Monday has shown a sympathy toward Islamic militants and a penchant for grotesque demagoguery toward Israel that ought to be unacceptable for a member of NATO.

On the opposite page today, Turkey’s ambassador to the United States makes the argument that Israel had no cause to clash with the “European lawmakers, journalists, business leaders and an 86-year-old Holocaust survivor” who were aboard the flotilla. But there was no fighting with those people, or with five of the six boats in the fleet. All of the violence occurred aboard the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara, and all of those who were killed were members or volunteers for the Islamic “charity” that owned the ship, the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH).

The relationship between Mr. Erdogan’s government and the IHH ought to be one focus of any international investigation into the incident. The foundation is a member of the “Union of Good,” a coalition that was formed to provide material support to Hamas and that was named as a terrorist entity by the United States in 2008. In discussions before the flotilla departed, Turkish officials turned down offers from both Israel and Egypt to deliver the “humanitarian” supplies on the boats to Gaza and insisted Ankara could not control what it described as a nongovernmental organization.

Yet the IHH has certainly done its best to promote Mr. Erdogan. “All the peoples of the Islamic world would want a leader like Recep Tayyip Erdogan,” IHH chief Bulent Yildirim proclaimed at a Hamas rally in Gaza last year. And Mr. Erdogan seems to share that notion: In the days since an incident that the IHH admits it provoked, the Turkish prime minister has done his best to compete with Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hezbollah’s Hasan Nasrallah in attacking the Jewish state.

The heart of humanity has taken one of her heaviest wounds in history,” Mr. Erdogan claimed this week. He has had next to nothing to say about the slaughter of Iranians protesting last year’s fraudulent elections, but he called Israel’s actions “state terrorism” and a “bloody massacre” and described Israel itself as an “adolescent, rootless state.” His foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, said in Washington on Tuesday that “this attack is like 9/11 for Turkey” — an obscene comparison to events in which more than 2,900 genuinely innocent people were killed.

Mr. Erdogan’s crude attempt to exploit the incident comes only a couple of weeks after he joined Brazil’s president in linking arms with Mr. Ahmadinejad, whom he is assisting in an effort to block new U.N. sanctions. What’s remarkable about his turn toward extremism is that it comes after more than a year of assiduous courting by the Obama administration, which, among other things, has overlooked his antidemocratic behavior at home, helped him combat the Kurdish PKK and catered to Turkish sensitivities about the Armenian genocide. Israel is suffering the consequences of its misjudgments and disregard of U.S. interests. Will Mr. Erdogan’s behavior be without cost?

The article touches on the hypocrisy in the Muslim world. The blockade of Gaza is a joint Egyptian/Israeli venture. There is no mention of this anywhere.

Yesterday on the BBC’s Dateline they had house loon Abdel Bari Atwan ranting at left-wing Israeli journalist XX.When the moderator XX sked him about the Egyptian blockade he launched into spittle spreading rant about how Israel was forcing the Egyptians to do it.

He can shout this on British News Channels, whilst on the 20 May 2010, on his own website, he wrote:

“We are well aware that the Palestinian National Authority [PNA] in Ramallah colludes with the current blockade of the Gaza Strip, and participates directly in Arab and US efforts to incriminate Hamas’ right to govern and dismiss it as null and void. So much so that the PNA’s envoy to the United Nations in New York approved an Israeli bill submitted to the UN Security Council which categorized Hamas as illegal.”  From “Hamas’ inexcusable demolition of Gaza homes” .

Thus is the man who calls the killing of 9 violent Turkish Islamist activists a massacre, yet would dance in trafalgar square if Israel were nuked.

Well now.

Israeli sponsored Aid Flotilla to Kurdistan

Imagine an aid flotilla from Israel headed for Bat’umi in Georgia to resupply Kurdish rebels. A Turkish naval blockade is in force. They board the Israeli ships and lightly armed Turkish marines are attacked by an Israeli mob. The Turkish troops open fire to save their colleagues. What do you think the world and Turkish reaction would be? Mobs on the streets of Istanbul burning Israeli flags, the BBC insisting Israel is supporting terrorism, a UN resolution denouncing Israel.

Complexities of Turkish politics and the 2011 election

From the comments of the Biased BBC site’s article on “Activist Revisionism“:

1)      For the past few years Erdogan has been fighting a very public battle of wills against the Turkish military. This is why he is (Like Stalin did) pruning the upper echelons of the military with rumours of a coup. This is why when he visited Greece the other month, the military sent Turkish planes into Greek Airspace while he was trying to talk peace and this is why he has (like all Islamic nations) started a set too with Israel so as to galvanise the public but more to the point the military into supporting his Islamic party.

2)      He is now facing a much stronger political opponent in the form of   Kemal Kilicdaroglu who became leader of the CHP party the other week. His predecessor was seen as keeping Erdogan in power due to his vetoing of necessary reforms needed to move the party forward. However the AKP  (ruling party) which aired the video of him having an affair and thus forcing him to resign ,(which the bBC reported on, but not on Kilicdaroglu replacing him) may have scored something of an own goal when opinion polls days after Kilicdaroglu took office showed the CHP leading in the Polls.

3)      Lastly who is the ruler of Turkey? According to the bBC you would think it is Recep Tayyip Erdogan, but he is only the Prime Minister, the leader of Turkey is actually Abdullah Gul. While a member of the AKP party he is less bombastic than Erdogan and actually has a decent head on his shoulders. Now this is where it gets complicated. You see the President of Turkey used to be elected by the party. However when Abdullah Gull stated that he would fight to remain as President a little turf war came into play between him and Erdogan (think Brown and Blair) Erdogan using his much bigger public supporter base had the law changed in which the public picked the next President and there lies one of the reasons why Erdogan has been publically attacking Israel for the past few years.

Other recent slanders

Israel planned to supply Apartheid South Africa with nukes. Not.

Reuters remove bloody weapons*******_Photo_Deletes_Another_Knife_-_And_a_Pool_of_Blood

Israel got “Serbed”

From Gray Falcon:

It should be obvious by now that the “Gaza flotilla” was a trap. Israel walked right into it. Fortunately for the Israelis, they too were filming the whole thing, and knew how to use blogs and YouTube, so they may have even come out ahead in the propaganda skirmish that followed. But there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the whole flotilla operation was designed from the start to be a propaganda stunt. The “activists” (is that what they are called these days?) aboard those ships were armed and ready. They wanted to be stopped and boarded, so they could scream to high heaven about being abused by the Israeli “pirates” on the high seas. It almost worked, too.

…the entire strategy employed by Hamas seems to be a reprise of Sarajevo. So the Israeli presence on its borders becomes a “siege”, the legitimate blockade of a hostile polity becomes “strangling”, and Israeli raids in response to missiles fired from Gaza become “terror.” Israel is dubbed an occupying power even though it unilaterally retreated from Gaza in 2005, leaving it as a de facto independent city-state. And Israeli inspections in international waters, though legal, become “piracy.”

Hamas routinely fires missiles from Gaza at Israeli civilians across the border. They see nothing wrong with this – remember, to Hamas, Israel has no right to exist, and needs to be obliterated. But if Israel retaliates, whether by assassinating Hamas leaders or sending tanks into Gaza to destroy missile launchers, or by enforcing a perfectly legal blockade to deny Hamas weapons and ammunition, while allowing food and other civilian supplies in – ah, that’s nothing short of “genocide,” then!

Israel has a powerful conventional army, navy, air force, and most likely even nuclear weapons (though not officially acknowledged). It has defeated Arab armies on numerous occasions in open warfare, and has successfully fought terrorism and insurgency through special operations. So those who wish it destroyed came up with a way of turning that strength into a weakness: cast themselves as innocent, unarmed, helpless victims and howl as loud as possible about being abused by that very Israel whose strength no one can dispute.

There are two recent examples of this approach being enormously successful. In Bosnia, the government of Alija Izetbegovic (revered in the Muslim world as an ideologue of jihad and Islamic revolution, but still believed in the West to have been a multicultural democrat) provoked an armed confrontation with the Serb and Croat populations, then raised hell in the media about being a victim of “aggression” and “genocide.” European and American public were steadily bombarded with the most outlandish claims of atrocities, courtesy of legions of “advocacy journalists” stationed in Sarajevo, who somehow never saw thousands of armed Muslim troops in the city, or their artillery, but only “helpless civilians.” Likewise, they never saw any of the Serb civilians killed by Muslim fire on the other side of the line; oh no, every Serb in Bosnia was a drunken, bearded savage with a machine gun in one hand, a bottle of brandy in the other, and a bloody knife in his teeth.

This distortion of reality went so far as to actually exaggerate the military strength of the Serbs, in an effort to make them seem even more formidable (and their enemies that much more innocent/unarmed/endangered). In this kind of 4th-generation warfare, weakness was an asset, and strength became a liability.

Not only was the Muslim (and Croat) version of the war propagated as gospel truth in the West, the Serbs were prevented from saying anything in their own defense through the second-worst regime of UN sanctions in history (the worst being what was imposed on Iraq). By the time the sanctions were officially lifted, the Serbs had been so thoroughly demonized, few dared question the official story when NATO attacked Serbia itself and occupied one of its provinces in 1999. Once again, the world was told of the Evil Genocidal Serb Aggressors wantonly killing and abusing innocent “Kosovarian” civilians, which was obviously so egregious that it required NATO to violate its own charter and that of the UN to launch a “humanitarian” intervention.

Here was identity politics brought to its logical extreme: a situation in which the designated victim could literally get away with murder (Izetbegovic, the KLA) yet be seen as innocent and virtuous, while the designated culprit (the Serbs) could be slandered with impunity, and anything they did would be perceived as purely evil. It isn’t just about delegitimizing one’s means of defense, but delegitimizing one’s right to exist at all.

The problem with trying to explain this to people is that this sort of demonization has so far been practiced only against the Serbs. Even Iraqis, who have suffered horrifically, were not singled out as a nation (rather, the hatred was focused on the persona of Saddam Hussein, and the odium largely dissipated after his execution). Only a few careful observers have seen it as a general trend, applied beyond the Balkans. As a result, no one in the world really believes they could one day get “Serbed” (for lack of a better term) themselves.

But as we see from the flotilla incident, some folks have taken the lessons of Bosnia and Kosovo to heart, even if no one else has. Not surprisingly, the organizer of the propaganda stunt is a Turkish “NGO” first formed to provide aid to the Bosnian Muslims. Among the “activists” detained on the ships were a Syrian with Bosnian citizenship and the “President of Muslim Forum of Kosova” (sic). There are Balkan connections all over – all but guaranteeing that the mainstream press in the West won’t say a word about any of them. Because, as we know, the Balkans is a sacred cow and the pure, innocent victimhood of “Bosnians” and “Kosovars” must and shall not be brought into question. Ever.

Why, even the Israelis won’t say anything about it, so as not to hurt their own cause. Can’t allow oneself to be associated with those Evil Serbs, right? That’s how thorough the demonization has been. But if it can happen to the Serbs, it can happen to anyone. The real question is, who is next?


David Sloan Wilson and Howard Bloom

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Continuing the series where I post the backlog from my drafts folder. This one is from June 2009 ]

David Sloan Wilson & Howard Bloom both argue cults can be good including Scientology. “A religion that makes Hollywood starts soner up and send thank you notes cannot be all that bad”


See also

David Sloan Wilson (Darwin’s Cathedral) –




Strange fruit

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

Whilst purging old posts from my drafts folder, I was led to this weird (now defunct) blog, apparently about Jupiter…


Seems to be related to this guy called Jake.

If anyone can explain this weirdness, shoot me a mail.




Anacyclosis and OODA Loops

by Limbic on December 7, 2014

[Continuing on the purge of my drafts folder, here are the notes for another post whose point and purpose are long forgotten, from June 2009]

# Monarchy – tribal rule based on brute force

# Kingship – virtuous rule by one man

# Tyranny – wicked rule by one man

# Aristocracy – virtuous rule by a few men

# Oligarchy – wicked rule by a few men

# Democracy – virtuous rule by the many

# Ochlocracy – wicked rule by the many (mob rule)

via The Ring of Truth « The Committee of Public Safety.

[Sadly this blog is also now gone, but there is an archive at]