Serbia concerned over Georgian crisis

by Limbic on August 28, 2008

This is a new sinister building on Bulevar Despota Stefana (29th November). It looks like it was inspired by the Death Star and will be used an Orwellian ministry.

This is a new sinister building on Bulevar Despota Stefana (29th November). It looks like it was inspired by the Death Star and will be used an Orwellian ministry.

I have refrained from commenting about the Georgia situation because so often the first draft of history (the media’s) is bunk.

It is curious though to see all sides engaging in rank hypocrisy and the understandable extent to which both sides are using the Balkans and its rhetoric in this Caucasian crisis.

The Russians are accusing the Georgians of committing “genocide” in South Ossetia. Whilst this is obviously rubbish it is a testament to how degraded the word has become thanks to its abuse in the Balkans. The Georgians counter that they are being “Ethnically Cleansed” from South Ossetia [see this example BBC article for uses of both].

The Russians are using the rhetoric the West used in Kosovo to justify its actions in Georgia. The West, caught as it is in a trap of its own making, desperately rejects the Kosovo analogies with Georgia,  repeating the “unique case” plea, which is nonsense. There is outrage that Russia is redrawing borderers in Europe, some reporting for the first time since Stalin and Hitler, yet this is precisely what happened in Kosovo.

So what is being done to Georgia is as unjust and illegal as what happened  in Kosovo, and both situations stink.

Here are few things I believe:

  • The Russians have given up on Kosovo (and Serbia). There is no way they can offer even token support for Kosovo after their actions in Georgia and their recognition of the secessionists.
  • Russia is turning its attention away from the Balkans to its periphery (Baltics, Caucasus, the *stans and Ukraine) and it is using the Kosovo precedent to paralyse the West.
  • This new instability and sudden legitimacy for breakaway regions could ignite the Balkans if Republika Srpska decided to secede from Bosnia and join Serbia or Herzegovina decided to join Croatia.

let me leave you with an example of the sort of rubbish being touted in the papers:

“Kosovo is a unique case and cannot be compared to any other in the world,” Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu told Kosovo TV. “The status of Kosovo was solved through international mediation.”

Serbia lost control over Kosovo in 1999 after it launched a military campaign in the province against Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian separatists. Slobodan Milosevic, president at the time, was forced to pull out of Kosovo after NATO bombed Serbia for 78 days in retaliation for its brutality to civilians in Kosovo.

The new pro-Western Serbian leadership, which came in after Milosevic was ousted in 2000, has refrained from using force in Kosovo but has refused to give up its claim on the territory it considers the cradle of its religion and statehood.”

The Kosovo situation is far from unique, it is commonplace. If 78 days of bombing is international mediation then what is gun-boat diplomacy?  Serbia was not bombed because of brutality but because of alleged brutality. The bombing was based on lies and gross exaggerations. There were no more mass murders of civilians s alleged in the causus belli than there were WMDs in Iraq. Since 2000 Serbia has had a fully democratic and liberal regime with not one single act of aggression. During that same period the government and authorities in Kosovo have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of up to 200,000 Serbs, Roma and Gorani from Kosovo. So who has refrained from violence then?

Serbia concerned over Georgian crisis – International Herald Tribune

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Wow August 29, 2008 at 3:28 am

Great post.

Thanks.

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Ida August 29, 2008 at 7:16 pm

There is differences between Kosovo and South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The Ossetians and Abkhazians have no other homeland and the territories were named and established by those peoples.

Ethnic Albanians, however, have their own country, Albania.

Plus, Kosovo was founded, defined and named by Serbs and was Serbian populated when it was formed. It was the center of Serbian culture in the Middle Ages and is important in Serbian art, architecture, song, poetry, etc.

No such thing can be said about South Ossetia and Abkhazia for the Georgians. It was Stalin who simple annexed those territories to Georgia.

So to sum up, South Ossetia (Ossetia) and Abkhazia are the homelands of the people they are named for and who founded them. The same is not true for ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.

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Wow August 29, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Correction: Kosovo IS the centre of Serbian culture & history.

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abelard August 30, 2008 at 1:49 pm

i liked your good steady comments on the serbia, iraq and georgia situations…

however, as a reader who has no great quarrel with either of these great power interventions, i maybe less ‘outraged’ than most…as long as russia keeps to its word and gets out of any occupation act in independent georgia…

it seems to me it is legitimate for the advanced world to cease toleration of oppressive dictatorships.

the idea of treating irak under socialist madsam hussein is intollerable, let alone treating such dysfunctional arrangements as if they were sovereign states in good standing…let alone worthy of a vote at the un…
the un remains a joke or merely a talking shop until some basic standards of freedom are demanded for full membership..

imv a far better context for justification or otherwise for interference failed pseudo-states is the concept of the ‘just war’
http://www.abelard.org/briefings/just_war.htm modified by pragmatism.

meanwhile, to me, the stickier problem is what to do about the outrages you claim in the newly independent kossova…

regards.

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B November 27, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Destroying the SERBIAN and GEORGIAN states.

My Dear Friends:

During the last years Russian Government was making statements against independence of Kosovo, at the same time Russians were openly supporting separatists in Georgia.

When Ex Russian president Boris Yeltsin’s Government bombarded Georgian cities of Abkhazia in 1992-93 I was 15-16 years old, but I remember like yesterday – September 27, 1993 ( Day of exaltation of The Holy Cross) – when Sukhumi was occupied by “Abkhazs”, Chechens and other north Caucasians terrorists and by Russian Federation Military Forces. Thousands of Georgians killed and hundreds of thousands left their homes.

I also remember how Mr. Yeltsin and traitor Mr. Shevardnadze (USSR ex foreign minister) organized military cup in Georgia, how Russia enforced Georgia to become a member state of CIS and how traitor Shevardnadze signed documents granting Russian occupants of Abkhazia and “South Ossetia” status of “Peace keepers”.

All Russian Administrations Yeltsin’s, Putin’s and Medvedev’s were and continuously are disseminating lot of FALSE information. FOR EXAMPLE: Russians are saying that Abkhazia NEVER BELONGED TO GEORGIA, and it become part of Georgia only in Soviet period – thanks to comrade Stalin.

HISTORIC GEORHIAN ABKHAZIA:

Let me assure you, that Abkhazia is historic part of Georgia – like Kosovo-Metohia is also Serbia.

Real Abkhazians were ethnically Georgians (as well as Mengrelians, Svans, etc) and accordingly were orthodox Christians. From antic times Abkhazia was part of western Georgian Mengerlian Kingdoms of KOLKHIDA and EGRISI, later occupied by Romans and Byzantium.

Beginning VIII century until XIV modern Abkhazia was a part of the United Georgian Kingdom. Later part of western Georgian Kingdom of Abkhazia – Ruled by western branch of the Georgian Royal Dynasty – BAGRATIONI. – RUSSIAN TV IS NEVER SAYNG THIS

In addition let me note that ALL PATRIARCS (HEADS OF THE CHURCH) OF THE (WESTERN GEORGIAN) PATRIARCHATE OF ABKHAZIA WERE GEORGIANS.

The Orthodox Patriarchs of Abkhazia mostly came from the leading GEORGIAN noble houses, and were able to support the church financially and secure its continuous involvement in the political and cultural life of western Georgian Kingdom of Abkhazia.

Nicholas (latter part of the 13th century)
NOTE: – before that – after Byzantium moved away from western Georgia – from VIII century – church of Abkhazia was of course ruled by Patriarchs of the United Georgian Kingdom)
Arsenius (c. 1390)
Daniel (late 14th century)
Joachim (1470s)
Stephan (1490-1516)
Malachia I Abashidze (1519-1540)
Eudemios I Chkhetidze (1557-1578)
Euthymius I Sakvarelidze (1578-1616)
Malachia II Gurieli (1616-1639)
Gregory I (1639)
Maxim I Machutasdze (1639-1657)
Zachary Kvariani (1657-1660)
Simeon I Chkhetidze (1660-1666)
Eudemios II Sakvarelidze (1666-1669)
Euthymius II Sakvarelidze (1669-1673)
David Nemsadze (1673-1696)
Gregory II Lordkipanidze (1696-1742)
German Tsulukidze (1742-1751)
Bessarion Eristavi (1751-1769)
Joseph Bagrationi (1769-1776)
Maxim II Abashidze (1776-1795)
Dositheus Tsereteli (1795-1814)

During the all this period church and government official language in western Georgia (including Abkhazia) was only Georgian (Before VIII century Greek).

In the latter part of the 16th century, Catholicos Patriarch Eudemos I (Chkheidze) had to move his residence from Bichvinta (Pitsunda) to the Gelati Monastery at Kutaisi, fleeing the Ottoman and NORTH CAUCASIAN MUSLIMS– fake “Abkhazians” (“OUR ALBANIANS”) expansion into Historical Georgian Land of Abkhazia.

Like NATO did in Serbian Kosovo for MUSLIM Albanians – Also Russian Government is trying to build an “independent nation” for those fake Abkhazian, fake Christian ethnic MUSLIM group inside of Georgia. Even supporting RASKOLNIK “Abkhaz” priest Besarion to finally split from the Georgian Orthodox Church. They are saying that orthodox churches in Abkhazia and “South Ossetia” were build by Bizantans and not-Georgian ancestors of this FAKE ABKHAZIANS and NEW-COMER OSSETIANS, and even by Arab Christians.

It is a same as if Albanians of Kosovo will say that their Albanian grand parents constructed Orthodox Churches in Kosovo (I know that all churches in Kosovo are Serbian). So, practically Russians and their marionettes in historic Georgia are acting worst than Albanians in Kosovo.

In addition 80% of population of Abkhazia are refuges and during the last 15 years Russian “Peacekeepers” were not letting them to return to their homes. In addition, at inactivity of the Russian “peacemakers” in Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region were killed more than 2000 civilians of the Georgian nationality in 1994-2007 – during the duration of the “peace keeping” mandate. And some old Georgian scripts disappeared from our Churches in Abkhazia.

The conflict in Abkhazia was heightened by the involvement of Russia, mostly on the “Abkhaz” side, especially during the war’s initial stages. Whereas Russia has endorsed the territorial integrity of the Republic of Georgia, Russian arms found their way into “Abkhaz” hands, Russian planes bombed civilian targets in Georgian-controlled territory, Russian military vessels, manned by supporters of the “Abkhaz” side, were made available to shell Georgian-held Sukhumi, and at least a handful of Russian-trainedon and Russian-paid fighters defended Tkvarcheli.

The motives of Russian military involvement have been the subject of much speculation. It has been regarded by some as post-imperial meddling, as genuine humanitarianism by others, and by still others as something in-between. The Russian role in this conflict has in part foreshadowed the brutal Russian behavior in Chechnya.

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HISTORIC GEORIAN Shida Kartli – So called “South Ossetia”

Russia has a history of causing problems in the “near abroad” and then coming to “fix” the problem. Place name (toponym) “South Ossetia” for the first time has been used by Russian military, and then civil authorities in the beginning of XIX century. This term had collective character and meant historic-geographical areas of Georgia where mainly lived the Ossetian population migrated from the North Caucasus Alania (REAL AND ONLY OSSETIA = NORTH CAUCASUS ALANIA)

Transformation of the term “South Ossetia” in a designation of administrative-territorial formation with certain administrative borders begins since 1922. Following the Soviet occupation of Georgia (1921) “Osetia” was ARTIFICIALLY created by Bolsheviks in Georgia and areas with not only Osetian villages, but with mainly Georgian population (eastern Racha & Imeretia and mostly central Kartli) also have been included. In addition, old Georgian town Tskhinvali become a capital of artificial “Osetia” (please note: by 1910 ONLY 10% Osetians lived in Tskhinvali).

Tskhinvali was first chronicled by Georgian sources in 1398 as a village in Kartli (central Georgia) though a later account credits the 3rd century AD Georgian king Asphagur of Iberia (eastern Georgia) with its foundation as a fortress. By the early 18th century, Tskhinvali was a small Georgian “royal town” populated chiefly by monastic serfs of the Georgian orthodox church and serfs of local Georgian aristocrats (such as Machabeli family, etc.)

After annexation of eastern Georgia by Russian Empire eastern Georgia in 1801 Tskhinvali gradually developed into a commercial town with a mixed Jewish, Georgian, Armenian and Osetian population.

Subsequently, the town became largely Ossetian due to intense urbanization and Soviet Korenizatsiya (“nativization”) policy which induced an inflow of the Ossetians into Tskhinvali.

Having created, funded and fully backed the South Ossetian separatist movement since the Soviet crack-up, in late July the Kremlin ordered its own puppet regime of Kokoiti to provoke the Georgians. IN THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE RUSSIAN INVASION, South OSSETIANS, AIDED BY Russian “peacekeepers,” had SHELLED & RAIDED GEORGIAN VILLAGES beyond South Ossetia. AND KILLED INNOCENT GEORGIANS – President of Georgia, took the bait and walked into Moscow’s trap—he ordered Georgian forces to go in and clean out the areas OF GEORGIA where the “South Ossetian” militias were operating.

Separatism is like a transmittable disease and everyone should remember this, including Russia.

Georgian public opinion very often is diverse, on this particular situation everyone, including the people, orthodox church, opposition and the authorities, are united and have one opinion: Georgia has been and should remain a unified state.

I Remember that NATO bombarded Serbia to, allegedly, protect the Albanian minority, but we now see that at the core of the issue is seizure of the cornerstone of the Serbian state and cultural identity. Georgia also remembers Soviet Russian invasion and occupation in 1921 and the reason stated by Bolshevik Russia – Protection of local Communists. Today, Russians are “protecting” ethnic Osetian “Russian Citizens”in historic region of the central Georgia.

Like this – there is an obvious manifold instrumentalization of the local ethnic minorities for the purpose of destroying the SERBIAN and GEORGIAN states.

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Kosovo is Serbia!
Abkhazia is Georgia!
Shida Kartli (so called S.Osetia) is Georgia!

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